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keikikiona

Registered: March 28, 2011
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Ok, so how can you tell a real netsuke from a fake?

chonchon

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Originally Posted by keikikiona

Ok, so how can you tell a real netsuke from a fake?

This question has been asked so many times on the site already and members have gone into lengthy detail to answer it. Perhaps it should be in the FAQ section!   Please have a look around the forum.

To begin to answer this, though, you will need to backtrack on the question a little...
What is 'real'? Even a 'fake' is real! Do you mean old, or original, or classical, or antique, from which time period, or Japanese, or genuine copy, or modern masterpiece, with no attempt to deceive?

Of course the simple answer is that by dint of reading and studying Netsuke for years, you begin to develop an 'eye' which seven times out of ten will 'see' Netsuke quality.

For the remaining three you will hit the books again, or consult with your good friends that you have made here! Perhaps you can narrow two of them down...

Or an easier approach might be to assume that of every 100,000 'Netsuke' that pour onto the market every year, perhaps 99,500 will be modern mass-produced cute Netsuke-type dingly-danglies. Many of them will have been treated to look 'old' but most will be snapped up by the unsuspecting buyer regardless of appearance of 'age'.


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Agree! The whole "Authenticity" Forum is dedicated to this issue. There is also quite a bit in explanations within the "Beginning Collecting" and the "Modern..." Forums as well...


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chonchon

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May I add that you could draw a parallel with ladies' dresses.

I can guess that you would be able to look at a dress and tell me pretty accurately what age and place it was from. I could ask you 'How do you do that?' Then you could go backstage and look at some reproduction dresses run up by a modern seamstress for a period drama. Now, how can you tell which are 'original' and 'authentic' and which are modern reproductions?

When you can see the evolutions in Netsuke and some of the tell-tale signs, then your instinct will step in pretty quickly. A good Netsuke will fetch a high price. How you stay ahead of forgers and deceivers is a whole world of study! Good luck, and let's all help each other.


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keikikiona

Registered: March 28, 2011
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Very good analogy, especially for me, being a lady and all. Thank you for that . I believe I understand what you are saying. Being new to this is confusing, but I look forward to the study of it. I am quite sure, I will never be able to afford an authentic netsuke, but who knows? Maybe...........
keikikiona

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Thank you Vlad! I will definitely check into the forums you have suggested.
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Dion, you are one direct lady & you sure know how to get to the point!!

Great question, well answered (in brief, obviously) by Chonchon, one of the oldest members on this Thread (he lives mostly in Japan - see his posts, they are fascinating) - also see Chonchon's 'Bit's and Pieces' thread - the most viewed, most contributed to thread here, and also by Vlad, our Administrator.

As both said, there is a Beginner's Thread, which you should spend time reading through first.  When you've studied that, you will be ready to tackle the Authenticity Thread, where we discuss this question till the cows come home . . . . and, yes, the sparks do fly in some of the discussions, because, guess what [?] you put your finger on a real live-wire, third-rail kind of issue.

Study up these resources . . . . they are here for people with inquiring minds
(and recent netsuke-bug bites) just like you!


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