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van22

Registered: Sept 5, 2012
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I've noticed quite a few auctions on Ebay for Netsuke that say they are made of ox bone (faux ivory) in the title. Then when you see a close-up photo of the netsuke, you can see what looks to me like Schreger lines.

Does ox bone have Schreger lines too?
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EBay does not allow ivory to be sold.
Schreger lines are peculiar to ivory.
Since EBay banned ivory, a suspiciously large group of Ox Bone pieces have appeared.

Now, there are Ox Bone pieces out there, but not as many as this set of circumstances might lead one to believe.

How's that for diplomacy?

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van22

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Ah... so those are actually ivory netsuke, eh? There sure seems to be a lot of them. Either Ebay employees are naive regarding what actually is ivory or they are turning a blind eye.
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A gazillion items are sold on E-bay every day. They apparently don't care to police their own rules (which saves them lots of money and they are off the hook when it comes to violations of CITES regulations). Just please be sure to never buy modern elephant ivory junk "netsuke" that feeds the illegal killing of elephants. If you are an astute seasoned collector you may find the occasional bargain on E-bay....but don't count on it if you are a beginner.
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E-bay and many others sell thousand ivory pcs. indicating ox-bone and only
one reckless believe that, including authority for control (they are not reckless at all but concious)...the problem for international buyers is not the buy but the moment when arrive at the customs control border (in serious countrys)...and to discharge responsabilities many auction houses notice that such pcs, are not able to be delivered to international destinations...and, in spite of that..

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Clive

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Originally Posted by "AFNetsuke"
A gazillion items are sold on E-bay every day.They apparently don't care to police their own rules (which saves them lots of money and they are off the hook when it comes to violations of CITES regulations). Just please be sure to never buy modern elephant ivory junk "netsuke" that feeds the illegal killing of elephants.


Well said Alan

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Agree, Clive; well said, Alan!
If it were left up to me alone, and it is not, INS would take a public position on this issue, and against the senseless slaughter of modern endangered species such as elephants - we would also donate to groups who stand for these principles, so as to distinguish, for benefit of the novice, scams like selling "ox bone," in many cases where we all really know that it is often ivory masquerading under another, legal-sounding name.  

But, money talks louder than morals for some businesses . . . 

In my humble opinion (again, my own), we would be doing a great public service by taking a position on these issues, condemning the use of modern elephant ivory (and thus encouraging more slaughter of modern elephants), and thus helping to educate both the public and law enforcement as to the difference between modern ivory and antique ivory, (over 100 years old as per US Federal law, and many CITES treaty laws in individual countries), so that there is better understanding that our netsuke which is composed of antique ivory threatens no elephant alive today.  That would be a good public relations step for the INS as well.

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I totally agree David.

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